psychological shock and fluid movement

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Permalink Reply by Clement Rhein on April 11, 2008 at 5:44pm

Hey dude,
We had a lecture at the ESO by Gez Lamb about shock release. The palpation is definitively distinctive, but remains unique to the practitioner. I think I can vaguely remember him say something "like the bubbles popping on you tongue when drinking coke". Whatever that means :-)

Shock can in theory happen in any tissue, but seems to be most common in the diaphragm.

The technique for release is to create space within the shocked tissue.

I think that's about all I can remember from this lecture.

I'm sure Pierre will know more...

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Permalink Reply by Nancy on April 19, 2008 at 9:28pm

I'm unware of any research on this, however from my experience with patients, I'd add agree with Clement - shock can be held in almost any tissue. In the patients I've seen, I've also found that shock more strongly influences fascia than fluids but it does sometimes express in terms of fluid motion.

Nancy

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Permalink Reply by Yan-Chee Yu on April 27, 2008 at 11:36am

Nancy

That's very interesting. Can you describe the palpatory changes in fascia which you've encountered? (The more specific the better).

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Permalink Reply by Nancy on May 13, 2008 at 11:00am

Palpatory changes are always difficult to put into words, but here goes....

When I palpate fascia, I'm talking about the subtle (listening) palpating associated with the IVM/cranial/functional/fascial group. Very simply, shock often manifests as a lack of motion....if this persists then the quality of the fascia can also change - in my experience it gets harder (brittle) and more dry.

You can also look at this as something which leads to fluid changes because fluids exist in fascial compartments.

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Permalink Reply by Yan-Chee Yu on May 14, 2008 at 10:52am

I didn't realise there were different types of palpating. Could you explain more about what you mean?

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Permalink Reply by Nancy on May 14, 2008 at 10:02pm

When you put your hands on a patient there are probably hundreds of ways you can palpate...each allows you to access different information about the patient. It's kind of difficult to explain this in words and without anything to demonstrate on. However, in terms of more undergraduate techniques, the technique and skill required to motion test a joint is different to that when you palpate a muscle for tone or feel a radial pulse or palpate an axilla for enlarged lymph nodes. The list is endless and I don't have endless amounts of time :-)

In terms of the techniques I was talking about above, when you are feeling something which most UK osteopaths call involuntary motion, you can palpate in terms of amplitude, texture, quality etc.

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Permalink Reply by Clement Rhein on May 23, 2008 at 4:23pm

Ha ha! That's really interesting this discussion. Just a few thoughts.

Homeopaths diagnose things in a certain manner. They ask themselve a question and they get the answer with gut feeling, AK (muscle testing), pluse if they do a bit of acu and other means i'm sure. So how does that work?

We are told that different osteopath would find and therefore treat different things on one given patients. Why?

Some practitioner attract a certain type of patient. How's that?

For me, you get the information you ask for. You ask a question to the universe, you get the answer. That's how the stiks to find water works, and the pendullum (and loads more stuff).

The Secret - about the law of attration is very good about that.
http://www.thesecret.tv/ (don't get put off by the american cheesiness :-))

So, in osteopathy, we have (or should have) a pretty good understanding of anatomy. That helps for this technique in that when we think about e.g. fascia, there is a relatively clear picture in our head.

In this technique, the contact is functional (nice a gentle) - for me its your mind that palpates the tissues, not your fingers. Then you think about fascia, and you feel what the fascia does, where the tension are, where its pulling to/from, whatever. The information held in the fascia comes to you.
If you think about IVM then you will feel that, and you will see where there is lack of expression of it...
If you think muscles, then you will feel which muscles are tight and track chains...
You can go through all the tissues like that. And the different approaches. and you can see which one needs to be approached.

Anyhow, If you keep in mind the possibility of the state of shock being in the tissues (you already do it as you know about it and you're interested in it) then that information can come to you.

Regarding treatment, if you release a tissue with the knowledge of the components this certain tension has, then you've cracked it. e.g. your release the right side of the diaphragm having diagnosed shock in it.

What do you think?

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Permalink Reply by Lorelei Messersmith (Eade) on June 6, 2008 at 8:05am

You may find Candace Pert's work interesting reading :http://www.candacepert.com/bio.htm I'm planning on doing my master's thesis on the somato-emotional connection and have had her work recommended.

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Permalink Reply by Ronan on June 7, 2008 at 10:48pm

Andy Cotton also mentioned her book Molecules of Emotion in his interview with Steve Sanet as well worth reading.

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